06 May 2011

Joe Romm Lies

[UPDATE 5/7: Joe Romm offers 3,300 wacky words in response to this short post. Crazy. Anyway, the simple response is, did Gore remove the slide I called him out on for using?  Answer: Yes.  Game, set, match.  For those many readers here for the first time (thanks Joe, this is now the second most viewed post in the history of this blog!) here is a link to my recent book on climate change.]

I do my best to ignore Joe Romm, but when he blatantly lies about me I sometimes feel compelled to respond. In today's installment Romm writes:
[The] false accusation that Gore was exaggerating came from none other than Roger Pielke, Jr.
He is referring to the time back in February, 2009 that I called Al Gore out for including a misleading slide in his famous climate change slide show.  Far from being a "false accusation" it was one that Al Gore actually agreed with and responded to immediately -- Much to Gore's credit, he agreed that the slide was misleading and immediately pulled it from his presentation.  Here is what his spokesperson said at the time (full statement at link above):
We appreciate that you have pointed out the issues with the CRED database and will make the switch back to the data we used previously to ensure that there is no confusion either with regards to the data or attribution.
Al Gore showed some real integrity in trying to get the science more right, something I praised him for at the time.

It is long overdue for the environmental community to start pushing back on Romm as he continues to stain their entire enterprise. His lies and smear tactics, which are broadly embraced and condoned, are making enemies out of friends and opponents out of fellow travelers.  Vigorous debate is welcome and healthy.  Lies and character assassination not so much.

26 comments:

Sean said...

I always thought that Joe Romm actually works for Exxon and is purposefully undermining the green movement. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is that Exxon actually would like to see climate change legislation pass so it could get the fuel business when coal fired power plants are converted to natural gas.

Maurice Garoutte said...

Joe Romm is duty bound to serve the interests of the Center for American Progress and has the unfortunate assignment to discredit any non-believer of human caused Global Warming.

The more reasonable the counter point to human caused catastrophe, the more unreasonable position that Joe must advocate. This has caused Joe to lose credibility. Now Joe is stuck in the feedback loop of needing more outrageous claims to get attention, and every outrageous claim costing him more credibility.

Certainly saying Al Gore exaggerates is a pretty safe statement since Al is on record saying that exaggeration is required to get peoples attention.

Next Sunday Roger could say that motherhood is a wonderful thing and that apple pie is good. Let Joe stew over his duty to prove that wrong.

Harrywr2 said...

I always thought Romm worked for Peabody Coal.

Charlie Martin said...

Roger, just picked this up from Anthony Watts and linked it at Pajamas Media Tatler.

suyts said...

I have a different perspective. I know it hurts to be personally attacked, but Romm is a nutjob. He goes full stupid on many issues. I say, Romm is one of the better spokespersons for the skeptical argument. Sure, his little group of groupies will soak up anything he says, but any rational individual can see how vapid and petty his arguments are. Let him blather himself in circles. He is a source of much humor. Best of all, its on someone else’ dime! Some one else is paying (I didn’t say Soros) for our amusement! I would tell Mr. Pielke to wear his attacks as a badge, but that would be akin to wearing the army service ribbon. I mean sure, its an accomplishment, but every soldier has one. Me, just being an average skeptic would like to be attacked by fullstupidRomm, but once you have one…….pphhhttt.

james said...

Joe Romm provides a complelling case for action to reduce Carbon Dioxide levels, Roger Pielke Jr provides a case to do nothing.

4C Blogger said...

I would opt and advise to ignore the comments. Back and forth editorials are wearisome, and do a disservice on multiple levels. This blog is based on objective information i have found; that is why it is one of the several i turn to daily. If most of the academics, NGOs, and environmental leaders focused on finding some level of common ground, and held it, we would be on a significant path to decarbonization...or at least that is what i took from the Hartwell paper...
GEOSINVEST

Roald A. said...

Magnanimous of Gore to do that for you. But will he pull the 'slide' in his movie that followed the infamous 928-to-0 Naomi Oreskes bit? It's the one at the 1 hour 12 minute 55 second point, insinuating there was a tobacco-like conspiracy of skeptic scientists to draw out the debate while being on the payroll of big oil. See this article for what's wrong with that accusation, "How an Enviro-Advocacy Group Propped Up Global Warming in the MSM" http://bigjournalism.com/rcook/2010/11/02/how-an-enviro-advocacy-group-propped-up-global-warming-in-the-msm-a-nov-2-election-connection/

I'd think the entire skeptic scientist community would thank you if you could extract an apology out of Gore over that one....

DrRock said...

As a relative catch-up neophyte to the 'debate' (more like a battle to the death, it seems), the more I see, the more I am disheartened by how 'climate science' has become the realm of muck-raking, slurs, lies, cheating...but not much real science. This, as the 'real' scientists calmly point out flaws (like the Al Gore Slide), and continue the effort to clarify, analyse and understand the complexity of the climate system...generally on their own dime, it seems. The more I see, the more militantly I come out in support of the effort to topple this miserable house of cards called 'global climate disruption', for lack of a better non-theory.

gallopingcamel said...

Joe Romm has created an echo chamber (Climate Progress) for people with a "feel good" mythology. They really CARE about the environment.

While many smart people post comments on Joe's web site, they don't have much credibility with the general public so it would be safe to go back to your tactic of ignoring them.

casey451 said...

Maurice Garoutte... The Center for American Progress is run by John Podesta who was a friend of mine long ago. Among other things he was Clinton's chief of staff, and he's smart as a whip. Except about Romm. I can't explain that connection, beyond the fact that Romm's position is predictably "liberal". Other CAP members seem reasonable.

Charlie Martin... I hate it when the extreme ends of the spectrum appropriate nice words like "pajamas" and ruin them for everybody else. Romm, more than anyone else, will appreciate his mention there. You've done him a favor.

EliRabett said...

Well Roger, we know you, ahem, exaggerated about Gore exaggerating, so walk this one back too

LezDawson said...

james said... 6

Joe Romm provides a complelling case for action to reduce Carbon Dioxide levels, Roger Pielke Jr provides a case to do nothing.


I'm for doing nothing. But I'd be interested to hear just one "compelling case" provided by Romm to reduce CO2 levels. Care to share?

Charlie Martin said...

Casey, I agree completely -- CBS News should have had a reasonable argument instead of slurring bloggers as people in the basement in pajamas.

By the way, did you actually read my post at Tatler or are you just making a drive-by slur?

Ken Green said...

Roger - Having been the target of Romm's delicate attentions a few times, I quickly learned to just laugh him off.

Other than his gallery of tumbling clowns and yapping hyenas over at CAP and "RealClimate," he's got all the credibility of Charley Sheen or Lindsey Lohan.

Whatever expertise and knowledge he may have had has long been buried under a giant mass of partisan bile, bafflegab, and the "politics of personal destruction," as his previous boss would have put it.

Responding to him, even to point out his lies, only encourages him. It also distracts you from the valuable work you do that Romm doesn't want you to do.

The best thing to do is to laugh at his antics, and redouble your efforts to get the truth out.

Tom said...

Predictably, Romm has produced another yawner in response to this.

Stan said...

According to a Federal Judge, Podesta was involved in the obstruction of justice while working for Clinton. He is about doing whatever it takes to win politically. Ethics and integrity -- not so much.

omniclimate said...

I find Romm very useful. Like Skeptical Science, anybody taking them seriously is obviously unaware of what is happening in the real world.

5ad2c3a6-6ab7-11e0-babb-000bcdcb8a73 said...

Roger
Other than Anthony Watts did you email or contact any other bloggers with your suggestion on Pushing Back? Over at Keith’s place the topic is turning to motive and of course effectiveness.

Roger Pielke, Jr. said...

-18-5ad2c3a6-6ab7-11e0-babb-000bcdcb8a73

Yes, I sent it out widely to many people, bloggers included.

Roger Pielke, Jr. said...

-19-

I just saw the comments at Kloor's ... I am happy for anyone to repost or link to my work. Why should that be a problem? I hope that the readers at WUWT buy my book, read it and think about it, same goes with RealClimate and ClimateProgress. How silly.

More interesting is of course those who received my link and chose not to mention it ;-)

5ad2c3a6-6ab7-11e0-babb-000bcdcb8a73 said...

Thank you for answering my question, I was thinking they same thing WRT responses from the proponent side of the argument. So is their lack of response a matter of Tribal Unity, Agreement or just Consent by Silence? I believe it is more of the unity at all costs as witnessed by the reaction to Nisbet.

Jeff

Frontiers of Faith and Science said...

Romm's behavior, and the silence of those whose side he is on about his behavior, are two of the strong evidences that the AGW calamity position is a social mania connected poorly and tenuously to science.

Joel said...

Roger Pielke Jr says: "Vigorous debate is welcome and healthy. Lies and character assassination not so much."

I agree, which is why I think it is long overdue for you to take back false statements that you have made like that Romm "ordered" the media not to talk to you or that Gavin "admits to stealing a scientific idea from his arch-nemesis, Steve McIntyre (not a 'real scientist' of the Climate Audit blog) and then representing it as his own idea, and getting credit for it." as we discussed here ( http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/10/giant-fish-big-fish-and-minnows-of.html?showComment=1256229797586#c6468801739024047692 ) Of course, you may say that these statements are not false, but I think any reasonable person would conclude that they are.

Perhaps people who live in glass houses...

Mr said...

"the simple response is, did Gore remove the slide I called him out on for using? Answer: Yes. Game, set, match."

Ah, but the e-mail response you received from the Gore people doesn't say that they changed the slide in response to your allegations. It would seem that Joe Romm's version of events is largely correct.

Roger Pielke, Jr. said...

-25-Mr

Nope:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/gore-pulls-slide-of-disaster-trends/

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